There was a time when you could take your mining ship out and pretty reliably find Quantanium, Bexalite and other top tier ore to mine. These sold for a good amount and refining was not that expensive. Now, in 4.0, there is no great way to figure out how to find Quantanium and it's been made to be even more rare than it was before. Bexalite, Gold and Taranite can be found, but they also come in smaller percentages of the rocks when they are found. On top of this, their prices have gone down at most stations from what they used to be. There are a few stations where they sell for about what they used to, but because these are scattered around, we must take individual ore types to different stations to sell each type for max profit. I also believe cost and time to refine have both gone up. Considering the following: Time to mine & gather Time to refine Cost to refine Lack of great information or way to get that information on where to find the best material to mine (Spawn rates, density of material in various locations, etc...) Lowered spawn rates and occurrences of high-quality ore Time, Risk (from players & game bugs) & Cost of travel to deliver different ore to different selling locations No Mining Missions No Mining Rep No Mining Game Loop Progression No use for materials other than to sell (Yes, I know crafting will be coming - but how in how many years & wipes before then?) Aditionally: Bounty Hunting ERTs yield great rewards and potential for high-cost loot from target enemies (Weevil Eggs & drugs) The speed at which Bounty Hunting and other missions can be completed and repeated yields exponentially more credits in a much shorter amount of time Salvage yields much better rewards in credit Salvage yields ability to loot cargo from targeted mission Salvage yields reputation and increased salvage game loop progression All other mission/game loops have some level of Progression yielding increasingly higher rewards the more you engage in those mission types. I have concluded that mining is really not a great, competitive option in the game right now. Many of us love mining, but we are slowly being left behind for more combat and PvP-focused gameplay development. CIG - Please address this, or at least let us know some of your plans to bring this along to be more competitive with the rest of the game loops. Is mining updates on the schedule for the next year, 2 years, 5 years, not even on the plan right now? Where is the Expanse in the plan? Where is refining for the Starfarer? None of these things have been talked about for a couple years. Thanks!