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Talon Vs. other???

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September 19th 2023 at 10:18 pm
Talon

Talon Vs. other???

September 19th 2023 at 10:18 pm
Talon
Looking at Eurkel and comparing the Talon with other ships, it has more HP and seems to move better than most. Meta says the Arrow, Gladius and Blade are the best, but IDK, is the Talon a secret no one knows about?

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UnluckyProfessional@UnluckyProfessional
September 20th 2023 at 4:19 pm
September 20th 2023 at 4:19 pm
No.
It has lower DPS than the Gladius or Arrow, and its HP is mainly in the feathers.

It's actually weaker than both the Gladius and Arrow due to the wings having all the mavs and low HP.
This means that once one wing is destroyed, all control is lost, and you are basically dead.
Helibrate@Helibrate
September 21st 2023 at 6:51 pm
September 21st 2023 at 6:51 pm
Yeah, mostly this: Gladius/Arrow/Blade do have a lot less total HP, but each wing of the Talon has just 1650 HP... and if you lose one, you're toast.
Add the fact that it has less DPS and that is way a bigger target than them (mostly due to wings, which greatly counters its good agility +_+), and you have your answer.
JerryL@JerryL
September 19th 2023 at 10:28 pm
September 19th 2023 at 10:28 pm
DPS is the issue. The S4s got nerfed a year or two back and the Talon gives up too much bang relative to other light fighters now.
5oul@5oul
September 23rd 2023 at 5:47 pm
September 23rd 2023 at 5:47 pm
It still looks damned cool though. If you're not PvPing, who cases about comparisons to other ships - if you like it, use it
SteelBurn@SteelBurn
September 25th 2023 at 4:30 pm
September 25th 2023 at 4:30 pm
Only adding it is an exceptional flier. I sometime fly it around New Babbage snaking around and under the tramlines for the laughs. But yea I dont see much difference between the size 3 weapons or 4's. As an example my saber kills much faster with 4 size 3's compared to the 2 size 4's on the Talon. I would think there would be a much smaller difference than there actually is.
JerryL@JerryL
November 3rd 2023 at 1:55 am
November 3rd 2023 at 1:55 am
Till the wing gets hit.
Rudelord@Rudelord
September 20th 2023 at 8:43 pm
September 20th 2023 at 8:43 pm
The baseline Talon is kind of in a bad spot due to them crunching down the weapon damages.

The Shrike has a use as a missile slinger that is pretty hard to catch.
Pony Starkitten / Ion Mane@Dowlphin
October 19th 2023 at 4:04 pm
October 19th 2023 at 4:04 pm
I don't see it. Quite the opposite. Compared to a Gladius (the light fighter with two shield generators) it seems to almost only have disadvantages:
https://www.spviewer.eu/pages/ship-performances.html?ship=aegs_gladius
https://www.spviewer.eu/pages/ship-performances.html?ship=espr_talon
The hull hitpoints are always a tricky math right now due to different element counts, and the body HP is mostly the same. It has 30% stealth and is faster in a straight line if using boost. Everything else is same or worse. Including thruster loss on wing loss and worse cockpit view.
Caven@Cavenaugh
September 20th 2023 at 5:22 pm
September 20th 2023 at 5:22 pm
Wow! I thought it would do better, Oh well
JerryL@JerryL
September 29th 2023 at 8:24 pm
September 29th 2023 at 8:24 pm
Hopefully CIG will rebalance at some point. There were a lot of ships impacted by the changes to weapon progression. Ships with S5 mounts ran into a similar issue where gimballing to an S4 now costs more than 60% of the DPS.