Blue Falcon@BlueFalcon9
Frigate vs. Corvette
Why is the 100m Perseus Frigate smaller than the 166m Polaris Corvette?
The Perseus is also supported by a smaller crew of 6 versus the 14 crew required for the Polaris.
This does not align with the traditional maritime descriptions for warships.
The Perseus is also supported by a smaller crew of 6 versus the 14 crew required for the Polaris.
This does not align with the traditional maritime descriptions for warships.
A corvette is a small warship. It is traditionally the smallest class of vessel considered to be a proper (or "rated") warship. The warship class above the corvette is that of the frigate, while the class below was historically that of the sloop-of-war.
The Devil is in the details.
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November 9th 2024 at 12:51 am
The Perseus is just a gun boat. Patrol craft.
Only the Idris is classed as a Frigate.
Only the Idris is classed as a Frigate.
November 9th 2024 at 7:43 pm
After a deep dive, I found your answer accurate. I found the mistakes in some of the descriptions on the RSI site that refers the Perseus as a frigate.
November 15th 2024 at 2:24 am
StarGuardCommandersaid
The Perseus is just a gun boat. Patrol craft.
Only the Idris is classed as a Frigate.
Only the Idris is classed as a Frigate.
yet the idris P only has dual size 4 turrets?
November 15th 2024 at 5:00 am
The Idris-P should have never even been a thing... CIG had to keep a promise by not selling the Idris-M anymore, but instead of keeping a massive asset off the pledge store, they gave us the Idris-P.... A lesser in every single way version of a great ship.
Hopefully CIG makes huge changes to the P.... Because the only good part of the Idris-P is that we can upgrade it to the M in game. Otherwise, as it stands the ship is terrible and a real slap in the fact for the price of it.
Hopefully CIG makes huge changes to the P.... Because the only good part of the Idris-P is that we can upgrade it to the M in game. Otherwise, as it stands the ship is terrible and a real slap in the fact for the price of it.
November 15th 2024 at 5:45 am
StarGuardCommandersaid
The Idris-P should have never even been a thing... CIG had to keep a promise by not selling the Idris-M anymore, but instead of keeping a massive asset off the pledge store, they gave us the Idris-P.... A lesser in every single way version of a great ship.
Hopefully CIG makes huge changes to the P.... Because the only good part of the Idris-P is that we can upgrade it to the M in game. Otherwise, as it stands the ship is terrible and a real slap in the fact for the price of it.
Hopefully CIG makes huge changes to the P.... Because the only good part of the Idris-P is that we can upgrade it to the M in game. Otherwise, as it stands the ship is terrible and a real slap in the fact for the price of it.
I agree
November 9th 2024 at 1:35 am
Perseus is a gunboat. Polaris is a corvette. Idris is a frigate. Javelin is a destroyer.
Edit:
Edit:
When RSI set out to make the definitive modern statement in persuasive prevention, they looked into their own past, to the historic gunships designated Perseus. Capable of shredding sub-capital class goliaths, the mere presence of a Perseus gunship in a blockade or patrol squad is enough to make your most aggressive enemies think twice before engaging, just like its vintage namesake.
November 10th 2024 at 5:58 am
Missing a cruiser and battleship
November 10th 2024 at 6:08 am
Cruiser is the Corvus - CA
650-700m long - not as big as the Bengal so they are no variants. Also that Argus CVE are in that size
Sure bigger then the Javelins (and they now are about at 510m)
So just the Idris, Hammerhead and Javelin are left in the UEE fleet by Aegis . Rest is all RSI!
650-700m long - not as big as the Bengal so they are no variants. Also that Argus CVE are in that size
Sure bigger then the Javelins (and they now are about at 510m)
So just the Idris, Hammerhead and Javelin are left in the UEE fleet by Aegis . Rest is all RSI!
November 9th 2024 at 2:12 am
use the example of history.
using IRL history the classification of some ships at some periods of history was driven by combination of gun calibre and armour level, at other periods in history other factors became more prevalent which changed how newer ships were classified, but in the main older ships would not lose their original calcification.
other things have also changed over history, for example gunboats in the early 20th century were destroyer sizes ships without much of the torpedo armament and were principle gun based projectors of power, by the mid and later wars of the 20th century a gunboat has shrunk to little more than motor boats, being motor torpedo boats with guns (motor gun boats) and absent of torpedoes, by the latter 20th century they were little more than PBR.
the Perseus first came about in the 26th century, when ships mostly did not have shields and the Perseus was heavily armoured and armed for its time of conception.
the original Perseus's were still in service still in 2940's when Admiral Bishop see one of the last remaining serve with distinction in battel, spurring Admiral Bishop to get RSI to put the Perseus back into production modified for the time.
hence the Perseus we get is the modified Perseus, but like ALL of them (the original military, the new military Perseus and the civilian orientated Perseus that we have) they are ALL just known as the Perseus and as such ALL carry the original designation of the original batch of Perseus dating back to the 26th century, as you cant have Perseus known as frigates and Perseus known as corvette serving at the same time with the same principle type name (Perseus) be anything other than its original designation, given the SAME defining factors are in play (gun size, turret layout, armour etc)
the Perseus has oversize guns and levels of amour for it length and is from a time when length was little consequence relative to armour and gun size when defining a ship, much like IRL periods of history when gun size and armour levels etc strongly dictated type definition.
in modern times many nations have frigates multiple times larger in tonnage than ww2 destroyers yet alone frigates and even approaching comparability of current tonnage of USN destroyers, and frigates entering service in the next 10 years will be surpassing current USN destroyer tonnage and even approaching USN cruiser tonnage.
ship definition change over time, and by nation, etc etc, so the SAME can happen in SC, regardless of if its bigger or smaller than earlier times in history, given how long Perseus have been in service regardless of when made it original designation will stick through hundreds of years.
using IRL history the classification of some ships at some periods of history was driven by combination of gun calibre and armour level, at other periods in history other factors became more prevalent which changed how newer ships were classified, but in the main older ships would not lose their original calcification.
other things have also changed over history, for example gunboats in the early 20th century were destroyer sizes ships without much of the torpedo armament and were principle gun based projectors of power, by the mid and later wars of the 20th century a gunboat has shrunk to little more than motor boats, being motor torpedo boats with guns (motor gun boats) and absent of torpedoes, by the latter 20th century they were little more than PBR.
the Perseus first came about in the 26th century, when ships mostly did not have shields and the Perseus was heavily armoured and armed for its time of conception.
the original Perseus's were still in service still in 2940's when Admiral Bishop see one of the last remaining serve with distinction in battel, spurring Admiral Bishop to get RSI to put the Perseus back into production modified for the time.
hence the Perseus we get is the modified Perseus, but like ALL of them (the original military, the new military Perseus and the civilian orientated Perseus that we have) they are ALL just known as the Perseus and as such ALL carry the original designation of the original batch of Perseus dating back to the 26th century, as you cant have Perseus known as frigates and Perseus known as corvette serving at the same time with the same principle type name (Perseus) be anything other than its original designation, given the SAME defining factors are in play (gun size, turret layout, armour etc)
the Perseus has oversize guns and levels of amour for it length and is from a time when length was little consequence relative to armour and gun size when defining a ship, much like IRL periods of history when gun size and armour levels etc strongly dictated type definition.
in modern times many nations have frigates multiple times larger in tonnage than ww2 destroyers yet alone frigates and even approaching comparability of current tonnage of USN destroyers, and frigates entering service in the next 10 years will be surpassing current USN destroyer tonnage and even approaching USN cruiser tonnage.
ship definition change over time, and by nation, etc etc, so the SAME can happen in SC, regardless of if its bigger or smaller than earlier times in history, given how long Perseus have been in service regardless of when made it original designation will stick through hundreds of years.
November 9th 2024 at 7:30 pm
I appreciate the thoughtful response and do agree that the classifications have been flexible depending on the nation and time period. I am just using the most common dictionary definition as the standard. This is also raises the question as to which rank commands each hull? Is it LT/LCDR for UEEN Corvettes and LCDR/CDR for Frigates or vice versa? Traditionally, these are assigned by tonnage and crew compliment.
November 11th 2024 at 9:46 am
The labelling the Perseus a frigate was a mistake apparently. John Crewe confirmed recently that it’s a sub cap corvette. The Idris started as a corvette and ballooned up to a full frigate. same with the Polaris except that’s now a light frigate (CIG did post a list of ship classifications awhile ago)
November 13th 2024 at 12:32 pm
Wait when did the Polaris changed to a light frigate?
November 9th 2024 at 8:14 pm
How do we know that maritime conventions will carry over to space?
November 13th 2024 at 2:28 am
here is your simple answer
cig have frigates and corvette ocean vessels reverse. its that simple the naming system is wrong.
Intended use: Corvettes are designed for coastal defense, while frigates are ocean-going vessels.
Capabilities: Frigates have a mix of offensive and defensive capabilities, while corvettes have limited range and weapon systems.
so they flipped the names, and made frigates smaller, probably much faster and seemingly looking like a class cannon of sorts. get in fast support the larger fleet attack group and take targets out quick as can be. or a planetary patrol ship. someone needs help it can get in quick hit hard and clean up before the attackers can reinforce for battle
the perseus meets the size, speed we wont know and it certainly needs more s3 quad defensive turrets. outside of that the big battleship turrets are prefect in my mind with what they are and where they are placed
cig have frigates and corvette ocean vessels reverse. its that simple the naming system is wrong.
Intended use: Corvettes are designed for coastal defense, while frigates are ocean-going vessels.
Capabilities: Frigates have a mix of offensive and defensive capabilities, while corvettes have limited range and weapon systems.
so they flipped the names, and made frigates smaller, probably much faster and seemingly looking like a class cannon of sorts. get in fast support the larger fleet attack group and take targets out quick as can be. or a planetary patrol ship. someone needs help it can get in quick hit hard and clean up before the attackers can reinforce for battle
the perseus meets the size, speed we wont know and it certainly needs more s3 quad defensive turrets. outside of that the big battleship turrets are prefect in my mind with what they are and where they are placed
November 9th 2024 at 10:00 pm
Y'all take these naming conventions way too freaking seriously.
It means nothing in a science fiction, fantasy, video game. Just stop.
It means nothing in a science fiction, fantasy, video game. Just stop.
November 10th 2024 at 10:40 am
It's about as serious as the details in the lore. It's about the "guts" of the story and fabric of the SC universe. Some enjoy the immersion.