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Idris PDC vs Polaris torpedoes.... and Idris railgun/laser vs Polaris

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December 3rd 2024 at 3:58 pm
Idris

Idris PDC vs Polaris torpedoes.... and Idris railgun/laser vs Polaris

December 3rd 2024 at 3:58 pm
Idris
Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on this. Those PDC are looking pretty darn effective. I knew they were coming, but I'm happier than I thought I'd be that I hung on to my Idris.... at least until PDC are nerfed lol.

It seems like with the PDC it'll be difficult for a Polaris to score repeated hits.... maybe Polaris drivers will need to get in close and overwhelm the PDC with smaller missiles before firing the big boys?

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CrisaliS@CrisaliS
December 3rd 2024 at 4:12 pm
December 3rd 2024 at 4:12 pm
Polaris is not supposed to solo Idris so PDCs are doing their job. You either need a squad of smaller ships to focus on destroying PDCs or get closer and dumb-fire torpedoes up close as only locked rockets are attacked.
Frost@Frost7
December 6th 2024 at 7:27 am
December 6th 2024 at 7:27 am
Yeah, people expecting the Polaris to be 1:1 with the Idris need to take note of the fact that CIG de-limited Polaris hulls, but the Idris, they not only kept it limited but hiked the price considerably.

They don't want more than a couple thousand or so Idrises in player hands at launch, but have no problem with a zillion $300 CCU gamed Polarises. That should tell you everything you know about how they intend for balance to shake out.
Stook@Stook
December 3rd 2024 at 4:37 pm
December 3rd 2024 at 4:37 pm
Makes sense, especially the dumbfire part. I completely forgot about that, though I'm still not certain I agree with the logic that dumbfire ignore PDCs.... in fact it bugs the hell out of me. But oh well.
Frost@Frost7
December 6th 2024 at 7:30 am
December 6th 2024 at 7:30 am
Dumbfiring won't last long. They've already updated PDCs to target dumbfire munitions as well for 4.0.
CrisaliS@CrisaliS
December 6th 2024 at 11:28 am
December 6th 2024 at 11:28 am
And with new prices only rich people can afford to use toprs)
Mando Hakarri@Hakarri
December 10th 2024 at 12:07 am
December 10th 2024 at 12:07 am
Dumbfire is now dead as well. RIP Polaris and Eclipse lol.
Pydus@Pydus
December 3rd 2024 at 9:19 pm
December 3rd 2024 at 9:19 pm
I don't think PDCs ignore dumb fire in 4.0, like you, I think that's asinine game play. they should attack anything that's on sensors.

Now stealth torps / missiles they should be hard to detect and potentially get into the Hull of the ship.
G33sn@Guts33n
December 3rd 2024 at 4:55 pm
December 3rd 2024 at 4:55 pm
you don't need PDC's to shoot down torps, just a stray shot from any Idris turret.
9/10 times AI in turrets are who shoot torps down, upto blatsing them mid launch.
BegForMyMercy@BegForMyMercy
December 12th 2024 at 3:35 am
December 12th 2024 at 3:35 am
G33snsaid
you don't need PDC's to shoot down torps, just a stray shot from any Idris turret.
9/10 times AI in turrets are who shoot torps down, upto blatsing them mid launch.
going to train my gunners to fighter at the bridge of the polaris and destroy torps before they fly out.
BegForMyMercy@BegForMyMercy
December 7th 2024 at 7:08 pm
December 7th 2024 at 7:08 pm
I think proper balance would be 3 Polaris vs 1 Idris if they were looking to do something like that.
And probably 3-4 Idris vs 1 Javalin.
EpicSpaceBob@EpicSpaceBob
December 4th 2024 at 10:55 am
December 4th 2024 at 10:55 am
thats wrong, they also fire at dumbfire ones, rly depends on the range you use them, 500 m they will get shot
StarGuardCommander@StarGuardCommander
December 3rd 2024 at 4:18 pm
December 3rd 2024 at 4:18 pm
If CIG keeps to their idea of capital ship combat, I don't believe the PDC's will be nerfed. Like Crisalis said, you need fighters to take them out before a Polaris can nuke you with torps.
GreySix@GreySix
December 4th 2024 at 1:24 pm
December 4th 2024 at 1:24 pm
Looks like the intent is to overwhelm the PDCs with missile spam or destroy them first, and then the torpedoes penetrate to damage the vessel.

I would like to see survivability of those torpedoes increased a bit.
Deadzone@NaleLuckless
December 5th 2024 at 5:13 pm
December 5th 2024 at 5:13 pm
Need a way to target subsystems, currently it's spray in the genral area and hope. That's after spending forever to bring down the shields in the 1st place. Currently Polaris is the only ship that can cause any substantial damage to the Idris, until they figure out the "cap hunter" size 7's on the Ares ships. Would also like a party finder system for bigger missions like this. Would be nice to know what size ships ppl are bringing. Have a ship recommendation listed on the contract, and when you accept it displays how many of each size category is on site. Or even accepting the contract acts like a party invite. Accept and you are now part of the contracted party. Current mess Is a mess. Everyone is flagged as hostile, security is hostile to everyone, hard to salvage/clean up because of security, rewards are not always given out. Other phases are just as messed up.
Mando Hakarri@Hakarri
December 10th 2024 at 12:05 am
December 10th 2024 at 12:05 am
I own everything so I am pretty unbiased here. At the moment, IMO the pds are a little too effective lol. I saw two polaris dumping torps AND missiles into the idris as fast as they could and almost all of them got shot down lol. Trust me I love my Idris, buuut that sort of makes the Polaris entirely irrelevant as a capital that “punches up.”
Deutran@Deutran
December 11th 2024 at 10:34 am
December 11th 2024 at 10:34 am
How much of that was PDCs and how much was AI gunners, though? I doubt player manned turrets will be as good at shooting down torpedoes, especially from shorter range.
Pydus@Pydus
December 3rd 2024 at 9:17 pm
December 3rd 2024 at 9:17 pm
They have a couple ways to go about keeping the PDCs as good as they are and making the Polaris a bad mother:

1. You can now target them with smaller ships, this will create longer drawn-out fighting.... Only way this is fun is with a massive armada.

2. They can create different types of Torps / Missiles that blind sensors... that way you can perform surprise attacks. If you QT on top of your target, launch missiles / torps that blind the PDCs, and another wave that are hull penetrating explosive rounds, then you can you potentially take out your target that way. This would be epic game play, where you have to stalk your target and know where / when they will be at a certain point.
Hentur@Hentur
December 4th 2024 at 11:01 am
December 4th 2024 at 11:01 am
The fact that PDCs don't fire with priority on dumbfired torpedoes is a technical problem right now, but CIG is going to fix that soon.
Truckin@truckin
December 8th 2024 at 4:06 am
December 8th 2024 at 4:06 am
I have them both, but I will definitely be more interested in ships with guns instead of missiles and torpedoes as I finalize my fleet. I was already wary before but the direction the game is going is really tipping the scale more.
Pydus@Pydus
December 10th 2024 at 3:02 am
December 10th 2024 at 3:02 am
Yeah, I’m thinking of this too! melting Polaris for Idris, so I don’t have to deal with the Torps as the major damage dealer…
FightingFirst@FightingFirst
December 11th 2024 at 5:02 pm
December 11th 2024 at 5:02 pm
Same, I am waiting on more Polaris size ships to be announced, but if one came along with more of a guns focus in the same class, Im not sure I would keep the Polaris as things stand.